USA: FGM Typ Ia kommt vor Gericht

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    Women defend genital circumcision, say nothing wrong

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    “Khafz (circumcision) as practiced by the community involves a nick on the female foreskin covering the clitoris. No part of the clitoris is touched during the process.

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    Justifying girls as young as seven years old being put through the ritual, the application said boys were circumcised soon after birth, while seven was the “right age for females” as the “prepuce of the female child is sufficiently developed by that age, but not yet thickened, making the procedure simple with the least possibility of complications, minimally invasive, and harmless”.


    Ein "nick", offenbar wird die Klitorisvorhaut noch nicht mal entfernt. Aber ist natürlich viel schlimmer als eine radikale, ultrastramme Vorhautamputation bei Jungen inkl. Frenulumzerstörung.

    Wenn es um Mädchen geht, weiß der Deutschlandfunk auch, wie man das nennt: Genitalverstümmelung

    Seltsam, von dem Prozess in den USA hört man nichts mehr - zu viele Parallelen zu BGM?

    http://www.indiasamvad.co.in/special-storie…ing-wrong-28509

    Die Anklageschrift im US-Fall:

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-rele…957381/download

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    Zitat von U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman

    "No state offers refuge to those who harm children," he wrote.

    Schön wär's!

    "Beschneidungstourismus" innerhalb der USA:


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    "This is exactly how we got here. The defendants in this case had the victims shipped from Minnesota to Michigan, and the only way of holding them accountable for FGM was the federal statute

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    "This is such an underground, secretive, barbaric practice," Zarubin said. "

    Wäre sie, wie bei Jungen "overground" und "overt" besser?

    https://www.sltrib.com/news/nation-wo…tal-mutilation/

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    "This is such an underground, secretive, barbaric practice," Zarubin said. "

    Bei der angeblich die "heilige" Klitorisspitze noch nicht einmal berührt wird.

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    Female circumcision is far less invasive than male circumcision. During khafz, the clitoris is not touched at all, and great care is taken by trained medical practitioners to ensure safety at all levels.

    Wie "barbarisch" ist dann erst die Zerstörung von 50% der sensiblen Oberfläche des Penis von Jungen?

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    Khafz is based on and motivated by a gender equal interpretation of the Abrahamic Covenant

    Na bitte, Gleichheit im Unrecht.

    https://www.firstpost.com/india/dawoodi-…da-6038971.html


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    The case is set to go to trial in January 2019.

    Der Januar ist rum. Und?

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    Bill to ban female genital mutilation advances in the House

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    We think it’s a pretty elegant solution to a pretty terrible problem,” Nilsson Troy said

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    Female genital mutilation, as defined by the World Health Organization, comprises of “all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons

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    Giddings highlighted the difference between female genital mutilation and male circumcision — one common concern raised from outlawing the procedure.


    Male genital mutilation, comprises of “all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external male genitalia, or other injury to the male genital organs for non-medical reasons.”

    That's all the difference, folks!

    https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/bil…3d1d15883f.html

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    Unlike male circumcision, which has a medical benefit, female genital mutilation “is often a tool to control female sexuality,” Giddings said.

    Zitat von Maimonides

    Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible.

    Zitat von Harvey Kellog

    A remedy [against masturbation] which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision,especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation shouldbe performed by a surgeon without administering an anæsthetic, as thebrief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon themind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment,as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues forseveral weeks interrupts the practice...

    https://lmtribune.com/northwest/meas…c1ee0fcb5c.html

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    Effort to end female genital mutilation suffers legal setback


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    On Friday, the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals denied a motion by congressional leaders to defend the constitutionality of the FGM ban. It also granted the government’s and the defendant’s request to voluntarily dismiss the case.

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    Shannon Smith, attorney for the lead defendant in the case, Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, said the appeals court got it right.

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    The 6th Circuit decision, however, devastated anti-FGM activists, who fear people who support genital cutting practices on religious grounds will still get away with it in the U.S. The defendants in the Michigan case are all members of a small Indian Muslim sect known as the Dawoodi Bohra, who practice female circumcision and view it as a religious rite of passage, alleging it involves only a minor “nick.”
    “We are deeply concerned that this decision puts girls at risk as the lack of a federal ban leaves an inter-state loophole and creates confusion among law enforcement charged with protecting girls from this practice,” the US END FGM/C NETWORK said in a statement Wednesday. “The decision is also discouraging to anti-FGM/C advocates, including survivors, who have been bravely speaking out against this practice, and dismantles education and prevention efforts in the U.S. and across the globe.”

    https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/ef…ab2b152373.html

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    Judge Dismisses Most Serious Charge In Genital Mutilation Case


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    DETROIT (WWJ/AP) - A judge has dismissed another charge against a Detroit-area doctor accused of female genital mutilation, leaving prosecutors with just one charge remaining.

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    Jumana Nagarwala was charged with conspiring with out-of-state mothers to have them travel to Michigan to engage in illicit sexual conduct.But federal Judge Bernard Friedman said the charge must be dismissed because the mothers didn't travel with the aim of engaging in sexual conduct with another person. They brought their daughters to Nagarwala.

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    Nagarwala has denied any crime was committed and said she performed a religious custom on girls from her Muslim sect, the India-based Dawoodi Bohra. She said she only “removed mucous” from the alleged victims and then handed the gauze to the family for burial.

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    Nagarawala and seven others were charged with multiple crimes when the case surfaced in 2017. But nearly all charges were dismissed last November when Friedman ruled a 1996 federal law banning female genital mutilation was unconstitutional, saying Congress didn't have the power to regulate the behavior in the first place.

    https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/…mutilation-case

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    Jetzt schon seit sechs Monaten "Schicht im Schacht".
    Anscheinend möchte man die "heikle" Angelegenheit klammheimlich beerdigen.

    Was war das Anfangs für ein Medienrummel!

    Und dann hat man gemerkt: "Autsch! - das könnte nach hinten losgehen". Gegen BGM.

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    Zitat

    It is the sense of the Congress that the United States 24District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan erred 25..... invalidating the prior version of such section 116... The commercial nature of female genital mutilation (hereinafter in this section referred to as 4‘‘FGM’’) is ‘‘self-evident,’’ meaning that the ‘‘absence of 5particularized findings’’ about the commercial nature of 6FGM in the predecessor statute did not ‘‘call into question 7Congress’s authority to legislate’’ (Gonzales v. Raich,...). Nevertheless, the Congress has elected 9to amend the FGM statute to clarify the commercial nature of the conduct that this statute regulates. But, by 11doing so, Congress does not hereby ratify the district court’s erroneous interpretation in Nagarwala

    Klar, religiös motivierte Mädchenvorhautverstümmelung ist immer kommerziell und somit böse, böse, böse.
    Religiös motivierte Jungenvorhautverstümmelung hingegen ist ein wichtiges Ritual, wird immer "für Gotteslohn" ausgeführt und ist somit völlig OK.

    Hm, ist das jetzt nicht "religiöse Diskriminierung"? (Zusätzlich zu der geschlechtlichen Diskriminierung)

    https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr61…116hr6100rh.pdf

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    Ein neuer Fall:


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    Unnecessary medical procedures on children will not be tolerated.

    Ach! Echt jetzt? :/

    Schön wär's! ;(


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    Title 18, United States Code, Section 116(d), defines FGM as circumcision, excision, or infibulation of “the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years.”

    Schön "maßgeschneidert". Gerecht wäre:

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    Title 18, United States Code, Section 116(d), defines GM as circumcision, excision, or infibulation of “the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris or penis or scrotum of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years.”

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/texas-w…ital-mutilation

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    Zitat von Forum

    A subsequent medical exam showed the girl's genitalia had a small incision and a small tear

    Fällt mir da gerade ein:


    https://mortenfrisch.wordpress.com/2021/05/12/hvo…ing-brit-milah/

    Zitat von Forum

    If convicted, Nagarwala and Fakhruddin Attar face up to life in prison

    Und Bent Lexner - wird nicht mal angeklagt.

    Bei der Ärztin Nagarwala hat man sogar das Telefon angezapft (wiretap) um Beweise zu sammeln. Bei "Beschneidern" von Jungen hält sich die Justiz beide Augen zu.

    Das Verfahren gegen Nagarwala und andere dümpelt jetzt seit vier Jahren vor sich hin!

    Ein Urteil könnte eben viele Fragen aufwerfen. Peinliche Fragen.


    Andrew Freedman, Bernard Friedman - was haben die beiden gemeinsam? Jüdische Wurzeln.


    Zitat von Michigan Jewish History

    Bernard A. Friedman was born in 1943 in Highland Park, Michigan. His father instilled

    in him strong Jewish values — in particular, the need to do the right thing.

    "The need to do the right thing" in Verbindung mit "Jewish Values" das ist für nicht wenige die "Beschneidung" der Söhne.


    Und so fragt man sich ob es für Friedman von daher ein Dilemma ist ein Urteil zu fällen gegen Menschen, die ihre Kinder aus religiösen Gründen von einer Ärztin "beschneiden" lassen, wenn die Eingriffstiefe durchaus vergleichbar oder sogar geringer ist, jedenfalls nicht wesentlich schwerwiegender als beim anderen Geschlecht und bei einer anderen Religionsgemeinschaft.

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    Why should girls be excluded from the Abrahamic circumcision tradition?

    Jetzt geht diese Sch.... wieder los! <X


    Shweder, Richard A.

    Shweder ist ja ein klarer Befürworter der BGM, hat seinen eigenen Sohn verstümmeln lassen.
    Langsam wird die neue Taktik klar: Man begreift, dass die BGM irgendwann
    mit dem Argument der Geschlechtergerechtigkeit gekippt werden könnte.
    Deswegen muss jetzt für Multikulti-Verständnis für die GGM geworben
    werden. Das deutet sich ja auch bei Gilman an.


    The prosecution of Dawoodi Bohra women: some reasonable doubts

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    [*]Female circumcision as practised by Dawoodi Bohra women is less invasive than male circumcision as legally practised by Muslims and Jews.
    [*]Why should girls be excluded from the Abrahamic circumcision tradition? If it is legal for boys why shouldn’t it be legal for girls?

    Ooch! Die armen Mädchen werden einfach ausgeschlossen! :FP01

    Die Frage ist völlig falsch gestellt. Richtig wäre: Wenn die Verstümmelung von Mädchengenitalien richtigerweise unter Strafe steht, warum in aller Welt sollte die Verstümmelung von Jungengenitalien erlaubt sein, wenn die sogar "more invasiv" ist?

    https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bup/gd…nt-rgld20210021


    Für diesen Artikel wird Shweder einen deftigen Shitstorm der Feministinnen ernten. Von mir bekommt er einen Stinkefinger (leider nicht als Emoticon vorhanden).


    https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bup/gd…nt-rgld20210021

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    Im Volltext wird es noch viel schlimmer:

    Zitat von Shweder

    They [Dawoodi Bohra] are a small, highly educated
    and cosmopolitan Shia Muslim denomination that has distinguished itself with its
    gender egalitarian orientation to education and the high participation of Dawoodi
    Bohra women in various professional occupations.
    I mention this last fact mindful of the neocolonial sounding discourse of

    Na, wenn das so ist - dann muss das doch OK sein! :wacko:


    Zitat von Shweder

    Right now, Dawoodi Bohra women are under global attack.

    Hey, wer attackiert wen?
    Shweder stell alles auf den Kopf - wer attackiert Jungen und Mädchen mit dem Messer?


    Hey, watt denn sonst? ?(


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    Legal assaults of this type (focused exclusively on the female side of a gender-
    inclusive custom) have seemed unfair, inconsistent or even hypocritical to some.

    Who assaults who?

    Natürlich ist es unfair, nur Mädchen zu schützen und Jungen ans Messer zu liefern.


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    By most accounts the Dawoodi Bohra circumcision procedure for girls
    amounts to a nick, abrasion, piercing or small cut restricted to the female foreskin or
    prepuce (often referred to as ‘the clitoral hood’ or in some parts of Southeast Asia as
    the ‘clitoral veil’).

    Aha! Solcher Art Genitalverletzungen kann man den späteren "Power-Frauen" bzw. "starken Frauen" nicht zumuten, denn Mädchen sind ja so zart und zerbrechlich!

    Aber Jungen, denen kann man problemlos rd. 50% der sensiblen Oberfläche ihres Penis rauben!

    Das ist in der Tat Hypokrisie in Reinform.


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    So the question arises: if the practice is legal for the
    gander [Ganter] why should it be banned for the goose [Gans]?

    Das sind ja nette Vergleiche. Die Rechte von Kindern werden mit den Rechten von Geflügel verglichen! *Kotz*

    Dieser Dreck ergießt sich tatsächlich über 16 Seiten, den Rest habe ich mit nicht angetan

    Der Druck, die Genitalverstümmelung des eigenen Sohnes schönzuschwurbeln muss enorm sein.

    https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bup/gd/pre-prints/content-rgld20210021#

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    Zitat

    if the practice is legal for the

    gander [Ganter] why should it be banned for the goose [Gans]?

    Das ist vielleicht die schlimmste Entgleisung, die ich mir von BGM-Befürwortern bislang anhören musste. Und das heißt was!

    Und klar, männliche Küken darf man ja sogar töten wenn sie unerwünscht sind. Diese Denkweise eröffnet Eltern ganz neue Möglichkeiten! 8o

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    Man darf gespannt sein, wie das ausgeht. Natürlich darf auf keinen Fall die Jungenverstümmelung deshalb in Gefahr kommen!


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    DETROIT — A judge dismissed a new batch of charges Tuesday in the government’s investigation of genital mutilation against girls in a Muslim sect, saying prosecutors in Detroit retaliated after major courtroom losses.

    It’s another blow for the government, which broke new ground in 2017 when it charged a Detroit-area doctor with performing genital mutilation at a suburban clinic. The move was recognized as the first significant use of a federal law banning the practice.

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    The fifth indictment was “in retaliation for defendants’ past success in having other charges dismissed,” Friedman said. “Such vindictive or retaliatory prosecution is a due process violation of the most basic sort.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-cou…n-case-n1280350

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