Wir können nicht für die Beschneidung von Jungen unter örtlicher Betäubung bürgen. Es besteht das Risiko einer unzureichenden Anästhesie

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Wie bei der dänischen Ärztekammer empfehlen wir, nicht medizinisch indizierte Eingriffe auf das 18. Lebensjahr zu verschieben, wenn der Patient selbst seine Einwilligung erteilen kann.

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DASAIM finds it below professional standard to perform a painful surgical procedure on children
without sufficient pain cover.
Regardless of the indication (medical or ritual), DASAIM holds the view that all children have a right to safety
surgery under complete pain relief. According to DASAIM, this can only take place in a combination of
general and regional anesthesia.
Both in Denmark and in our neighboring countries, we have seen cases of life-threatening complications in connection
with local anesthetics. Both in the form of methaemoglobinemia with prilocaine as well as systemically
toxicity of local anesthetics. Complications include circulatory failure, unconsciousness and seizures.
per as well as oxygen deficiency

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Herewith DASAIM's comments on the summary chapter in the note on Boy Circumcision (2019).
Quotes from the note in italics.
1.3 Effect of circumcision
Overall, the literature review has identified a number of potentially beneficial effects of circumcision. It's about
especially on the prevention of urinary tract infections and sexually transmitted diseases. In addition, there is no degrading effect on
sexual function and / or satisfaction. In addition, there is a possible protective effect against in cancer of the penis.
There we disagree on the content. The bulk of the evidence around sexually transmitted diseases is
from few African studies. That is, studies performed on adults in an area at high risk for
HIV / AIDS. These results cannot be used on Danish children in an area at low risk
HIV / AIDS. If one wants to have circumcision performed to reduce the risk of sexually transmitted
disease, it must wait until the young person becomes sexually active or around this time. We HPV
does not vaccinate infants to avoid sexually transmitted diseases.
With regard to the preventive effect of urinary tract infection, we refer to:
sundhed.dk/borger/patienthaand…ktioner/urinvejsinfektion
-At-children /
Here it appears:
“Urinary tract infections occur in less than 1% of infants and young children. They are far hyp-
girls in girls than boys because the urethra is shorter in girls. "
Surgery on healthy boys is unacceptable to prevent something that is far rarer than 1%.
With regard to penile cancer, DASAIM would like to point out that it is extremely rare
cancer. It will become even rarer now that HPV vaccination is being introduced for boys. Ki
surgery on healthy boys to prevent something so infrequent is not acceptable when complications
the ons rate is so high

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To the Danish Parliament's Health Committee.
You are hereby requested to represent the Danish Parliament's Health Committee at the first appropriate opportunity.
The Danish Society for Anesthesiology and Intensive Care (DASAIM) was involved in making a note this winter about
boy circumcision on non-medical indication. The Danish Agency for Patient Safety (STPS) had
responsibility. The memorandum was published on 21 / 2-2020.
DASAIM has now been asked by STPS to participate in a process where the note from 21/2 is to be made into a
guidance on how to perform boy circumcision in practice on non-medical indication. This process
is assumed to be completed before the Folketing and the Health Committee must consider the citizen proposal
boy circumcision.
DASAIM has great professional and ethical qualifications about participating in this work as we have a number of concerns.
ger in relation to the academic content in the memorandum from 21/2.
• We can not vouch for boy circumcision under local anesthesia. There is a risk of insufficient assessment
and we would e.g. never perform medically indicated penile surgery under local anesthesia. Children have
same right as adults to up-to-date pain relief before, during and after surgery. That children
rarely has the language to express pain, we see as an aggravating circumstance.
In addition, general anesthesia and respiratory management in connection with surgery on children under 2 years of age should
performed exclusively in hospitals with special pediatric anaesthesiological competence, cf. thesis
the plan.
• As the Danish Medical Association, we recommend that non-medically indicated procedures be postponed until the age of 18.
years in which the patient himself is able to give consent

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The list of medical and healthcare companies that have left the Danish Agency for Patient Safety's working group on ritual circumcision of boys is getting longer and longer.

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This week, the country's urologists and paediatricians have chosen to follow the anesthetists, midwives and health nurses out the door in frustration over the collaboration with the agency.

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How long you have to be involved in doing something when the professionalism disappears, it is a matter of assessment, and our assessment in the board was that we could no longer vouch for the work that was done, says chairman of the pediatricians in Dansk Pediatric Society Klaus Birkelund Johansen.

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Klaus Birkelund Johansen says that his professional group is against all forms of surgery on healthy children.

Klaus Birkelund Johansen says that his professional group is against all forms of surgery on healthy children.

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Political commentator and longtime member of the Liberal Party Jarl Cordua shares the assessment that especially the Liberal Party and the Social Democrats are very aware of the negative consequences if Denmark were the first country in the world to introduce a ban on boy circumcision.

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The decisive factor for any reactions is whether a possible Danish ban can be seen as a distancing from the cultural practice in other countries, and then, for example, Israel will probably react, ”assesses Jakob Egholm Feldt.

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Amid intensive lobbying by Jewish groups, a parliamentary committee last week said it is advising parliament to scrap the bill, thus dramatically diminishing its chances of being put to a vote.

Conference of European Rabbis President Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt told The Jerusalem Post that his organization used a three-pronged approach to try to combat Iceland’s move: pressure from Jewish groups; coalitions with other faith groups; and appealing to international economic and political interests

Es kann nicht im beschnittenen Pillermann sein, wo Religion sitzt

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The health spokesperson for the Danish People's Party takes the significant messages from the Jewish Society in Denmark calmly.
- I think these are empty threats . I do not believe that a circumcision ban means leaving one's religion. There are very many Jews who themselves have stopped circumcision and can practice their Judaism without being circumcised. It can’t be in the circumcised pee man that religion sits, she says.

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- This will mean that far too many boys will experience that it takes place on the kitchen table at home in secret.

Rabbi Yitzi Loewenthal, the emissary of the Chabad Hasidic movement in Denmark, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency that the ruling Social Democrat party has not said how it will vote on the bill, but there’s a risk it will be passed

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Während sich Sozialdemokraten und Liberale nicht zu den jüdischen Befürchtungen äußern, tat Liselott Blixt, gesundheitspolitische Sprecherin der nationalkonservativen, rechtspopulistischen Dansk Folkeparti, sie als »leere Drohungen« ab. Ein Beschneidungsverbot bedeute doch nicht, dass man die eigene Religion aufgeben müsse, sagte sie, ohne auf die Bedeutung der Brit Mila für Juden einzugehen. Hämisch fügte sie hinzu: »Es kann doch nicht sein, dass die Religion im beschnittenen Pipi-Mann sitzt.«

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If circumcision is performed on 1,500 boys annually, the number of provoked abortions is ten times greater. If it is immoral to cut off the foreskin of healthy children, the same must be true when taking life

I was circumcised in Copenhagen when I was five years old by a man who had performed the operation many times. But it went wrong. This is my story.


I do not present myself by name and face because I do not want to be the man with the mutilated penis in the public debate. I embarrass myself even though I have nothing to embarrass myself about.

However, it does not go in the long run that the majority of Danes think something markedly different than those who decide. It will, in the long run, delegitimize democracy, and it is also an impossible scenario. Just as the stories that have been circulating about complications of circumcision, both in Jewish and Muslim environments, are unacceptable, just as it must be listened to when doctors in a group of associations announce that they cannot vouch for a surgical procedure.

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In short: Perhaps the way forward from here is for wise people among doctors, Jews, Muslims and politicians to sit down and see if there can be no room for a settlement, a room for a way forward, a way where everyone parties can give and take a little, but where we in turn find a route that does not destroy more than it benefits.
For what is going on right now is not going to work. It tears the community apart and protects no one, neither the boys nor the religions.

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The Social Democrats' legal spokesman , Jeppe Bruus, wrote to doctor and debater Morten Frisch during the last election campaign that he would like to be put on a list of parliamentary candidates who supported a ban on religious boy circumcisions.

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Why is the Social Democrats against a ban?

The Social Democrats emphasize that the Jewish Society says that 'Jewish life in Denmark cannot continue' if religious boy circumcisions are banned.

According to the Social Democrats, we have a special obligation to the Jews to stay in Denmark. This is due to the Holocaust and current anti-Semitism, such as the terrorist attack on the synagogue in Copenhagen in 2015.

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In Denmark, you are punished if you hit, kick or otherwise commit violence against children. However, not if you circumcise your son for religious reasons. But religious considerations do not outweigh Danish legislation, writes hospice nurse Mette Gammelgaard in this debate post

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The functions of the foreskin develop in step with age and especially the transition from child to teenager and adult.

In the little boy, the function of the foreskin is both to protect the
glans from wear and damage and to protect against infection, says Jørgen Hoppe.
In extension of the urethra, the foreskin forms a small spout, which can open and close as needed.
It is controlled by smooth muscles, and cannot be controlled by will. But if you have to pee, a message is sent to the brain, which in turn sends a message to the muscles to open.
In addition, the outer spout protects the urethral opening against invading bacteria from, for example, the diaper, so the boy is well protected against urinary tract infection.

Parents must keep their fingers away from the boy's, but fortunately most people know this well, says Jørgen Hoppe.

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With age, the foreskin gets some new features.
It still acts as a protection for the head of the penis. Both physically against, for example, clothes and hot water from the shower - and against infections.
At the same time, the foreskin is also a protection against dehydration.
- The foreskin has a mucous membrane, so it protects both itself and the glans from drying out, says Jørgen Hoppe and continues:
- It's like the eye, which also has mucous membranes . If the eye dries out, it itches. So does the head of the penis.

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In addition to its protective effect , the foreskin also has a sexual function.
It is a function that you warm up to when you as a teenager start masturbating.
- During vaginal intercourse, the foreskin makes these sliding movements, which means that the penetration can penetrate back and forth in its own foreskin at the same time as it slides back and forth in a vagina where the moisture is retained, says Jørgen Hoppe.
When the foreskin slides back and forth, a 'grooved band' is stimulated, which sits on top of the mucous membrane of the foreskin.
The grooved band is tightly studded with thousands of sensors that are specially designed to feel light pressure and touch.
If you are with a woman, she has a similar grooved band, which is also stimulated.
At the same time, some other sensors are located under the grooved band, which register vibrations.
- The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the adult penis, says Jørgen Hoppe.
In addition, some layers of tissue called Dartos Fascia contain receptors that detect temperature differences. The tissue is found under the skin all the way from the foreskin, down the shaft of the penis and to the scrotum.
- These are the receptors that cause both the penis and scrotum to be pulled up towards the abdominal cavity when it gets cold. To protect the penis from the cold and the testicles' sperm production, says Jørgen Hoppe.

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Artificial foreskin made of silicone is a good alternative to the ban on circumcision

But both Muslims and Jews share the practice of circumcision, which might work in the Muslims’ favor. In an interview with the newspaper Politiken, one Copenhagen imam made no secret of this.“We have deliberately stayed in the background on this and let the Jewish] society speak on our behalf,” imam Naveed Baig said . Had the issue been presented as solely a Muslim issue, circumcision would already have been banned, he added.

While the public opinion is massively in favor of a ban, political protection of special interests still keeps Denmark from being the first country in the world to make circumcision of infant boys illegal.

Goldschmidt schrieb:

...appealing to international economic and political interests

And with overt antisemitism on the rise, from 2019’s Neo-nazi desecration of a Jutland Jewish cemetery to the frequently smashed windows of Copenhagen’s one kosher butcher shop, it might be hard for some not to connect the dots and see the popular opposition to circumcision in the context of antisemitism.

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Wenn man davon ausgeht das es eigentlich kein Hymen gibt

Innenminister Gérald Darmanin,..., hat bereits Gesetzesverschärfungen angekündigt. So will er beispielsweise Ärzte strenger ahnden, die Jungfräulichkeitszertifikate ausstellen oder Hymen wiederherstellen, damit die muslimische Braut nicht zurückgewiesen wird.

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Last week, on the occasion of Yom Kippur, the neo-Nazi organization Nordfront spent an entire night putting up anti-Semitic slander posters all over the country...

For we have become accustomed to the demonizing rhetoric from Intact Denmark, which for years has dripped small drops of arsenic into the Danish people's soul and made it a mainstream truth that Jews mutilate their children. Intact Denmark has long ago designated female genital mutilation as the right word for boy circumcision, referring to dubious sources and despite the fact that no health organization in the world
have that view because the medical literature simply does not....

The Medical Association's president, Camilla Rathcke, writes in her editorial in Ugeskrift for Læger on 14 September 2020 that "The Medical Association's policy is that circumcision without a medical indication for boys under the age of 18 is ethically unacceptable".
The basis for the Medical Association's position is our ethics committee, which clearly distanced itself from circumcision as “an intervention that permanently changes a boy's body without him having taken a position on it” (2016) .

But now the chairman's leader is both confusing and unclear: "the board will take a position… on whether there is a basis for tightening the Medical Association's position"

For "it is part of the picture that ritual circumcision of boys has both cultural and religious aspects that one has to think about"

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Weiß jemand, wann die Abstimmung stattfinden wird?

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Thursday
There is a meeting in the Folketing Hall, where a number of bills will be considered. This applies, among other things, to a citizens' proposal on the introduction of a minimum age of 18 for circumcision of healthy children, proposals for more rock reefs in Danish waters and proposals for requirements for employment for immigrants on cash benefits or integration benefits. And then the Finance Act must be re-examined, even though there is no agreement on it yet. This is how it is every year, so that you can get the Finance Act through the legislative process.

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Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen (S) was previously a strong supporter of a ban on circumcision. But it's not like that anymore.
She has used the persecution of Jews as an argument that she has changed her original attitude.

On Thursday, there will be a meeting in the Folketing Hall, where a number of bills will be considered. This applies, among other things, to a citizens' proposal to introduce a minimum age of 18 for the circumcision of healthy children.

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Circumcision must be banned until the age of 18


According to the latest evidence of mutilated circumcisions, it is even more obvious that it should be banned until the age of 18.


It is as certain as rain in November that the debate over circumcision of boy children appears on a regular basis. This summer, it rumbled again when a group of doctors in protest interrupted the collaboration with the Danish Agency for Patient Safety because the doctors could not support the agency's recommendations that local anesthesia is sufficient when the foreskin of infant boys is to be removed.
The debate also spread to Christiansborg, where it ended with the Liberal Party and the Social Democrats closing the case, so there was no - in this o...