Schweden: Zentrumspartei will BGM verbieten

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    • Schweden: Zentrumspartei will BGM verbieten

      Die Parteibosse versuchen, das abzuwürgen.

      Google Übers. wrote:


      The Center Meeting has decided that the Center Party should work to
      prohibit the circumcision of boys who are not for medical reasons in
      Sweden. The party leadership warns that it will be perceived that the party wants to ban Judaism and Islam.
      -
      This was not a decision the party leadership wanted, says the party's
      vice-chairman Anders W Jonsson at a press conference after the decision.
      Danke, Dana Pourkomeylian!

      svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/centern…juda-omskarelse-pa-pojkar

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    • Ein Interview mit Anders W Jonsson und Dana Pourkomeylian.

      Leider kann ich kein Schwedisch, und Google noch keine Simultanübersetzungen (bei dem schon unheimlichen Aufwand, den Google in der KI-Forschung treibt, wohl nur eine Frage der Zeit).

      Die Frau imponiert mir - leider kommt sie viel kürzer zu Wort als Jonsson.


      tv4.se/nyheterna/klipp/c-vill-…rnets-integritet-12501794

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    • Googel Übers. wrote:

      The party leadership tried to stop the decision and warned the members.
      Das ist aber voll in die Hose gegangen.

      Sehr klares Abstimmungsergebnis: 314 zu 166 :thumbup:

      Und natürlich wird jetzt wieder aus allen Rohren dagegen geschossen, mal wieder der geistige Dünnschiss "wir können doch nicht das erste Land der Welt sein...."

      barometern.se/ledare/oanstandigt-centerpartiet/

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    • Das ist eben der Unterschied zu Union, SPD und Grüne 2012: Da haben die Parteibonzen gesagt: "hopp, hopp!" - und alle Flachpfeifen sind brav über das Stöckchen gesprungen.

      Beim schwedischen Centrum ist das "betreute Denken" anscheinend noch nicht angekommen. Die denken noch selber.

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    • Der WJC "haut" (to slam = zuschlagen) jetzt die schwedische Zentrumspartei:

      WJC slams Swedish Center Party for promoting circumcision ban
      The motion was put forward by the party's youth chapter, and while it was initially rejected by the party board, it won the popular vote during a gathering of the party in which roughly 700 proposals were discussed, hence going against the party leadership.

      The youth chapter supporters of the proposal argued that babies and
      young children are unable to voice consent to such a medical
      procedure.
      Bravo den jungen Leuten! :thumbup:

      Bei uns im Parlament war's leider anders.


      jpost.com/Diaspora/WJC-slams-S…g-circumcision-ban-603337

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    • R2D2 wrote:

      Die Vorsitzende Lööf forderte einst selbst ein Verbot:
      Richtig.

      In a parliamentary motion in 2007/2008, Lööf herself called for the law banning genital mutilation of women to be made gender-neutral, in order to cover circumcision of boys without medical motivation. However, she has since said that she has changed her mind on this.
      Lööf said she "understood" the criticism and had been in contact with both Jewish and Muslim leaders in Sweden. "For us, it's an important question to protect freedom of religion and we stand behind that 100 percent," she said
      Der Kontakt war anscheinend sehr intensiv. Von Kontakten mit negativ-Betroffenen hört man nichts.

      Wer ist "us"? Plural majestatis?

      Selbstbestimmung wrote:

      Sehr klares Abstimmungsergebnis: 314 zu 166
      However, the final decision was that the party should work to ban all non-medical circumcisions of boys, rather than a total ban on circumcision which some party members had advocated for.
      Haben sich da einige Parteimitglieder etwa auch Gedanken über die pseudo-medizinisch-induzierten Zirkumzisionen gemacht?

      thelocal.se/20191002/jews-and-…-to-ban-male-circumcision

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    • We will enlist the international community

      Chief Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt wrote:

      We will enlist the international community, as we did in Iceland and other countries, in order to fend off this attack.
      Na, wenigstens redet mal einer Klartext.

      Over the past few years we have seen a number of similar legislative attempts against circumcision in Finland, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway. We have seen how the process moves forward and only after a battle we waged with the help of international organizations, not one of these countries banned [circumcision].
      Da weiß man doch wenigstens, wer bestimmt wo es lang geht. Jedenfalls nicht die Volksmehrheit, die ja angeblich der "Souverän" in einer Demokratie sein soll. Z.B. hat sich in einer Umfrage in Dänemark 83% für einen solchen Schutz ausgesprochen.
      Aber die Weichen werden offenbar wo anders gestellt. In einer "Schlacht", und mit Hilfe nebulöser "Internationaler Organisationen".

      Also wird wohl auch wieder jene Initiative in Schweden, Kinder vor Genitalverletzung zu schützen im Keim erstickt werden.... ;(

      israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/269871

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    • So it is to live as a circumcised man

      Google Übers. wrote:


      We have completely different backgrounds and different reasons for being circumcised. The reason why Ellis is circumcised is his Jewish and American background. For many decades in the United States, basically all newborn boys, regardless of their parents' beliefs, were circumcised.
      The American "tradition" really has its basis in moralism - it should be harder to masturbate. The health arguments have been added afterwards.
      The intervention in Fredrik's case was made at the age of ten for medical reasons, and too narrow a foreskin made it difficult to develop the pain. Probably erection would be painful.

      Google Übers. wrote:

      Despite our different backgrounds, we have both been committed to the circumcision of little boys who have no medical reason and we, as circumcised, deserve to be listened to. Not least, we react strongly to the sweeping and completely unfounded claims that a little mutilation must be tolerated if one's parents in a well-meaning or unconscious tradition have chosen to mutilate their child.

      Google Übers. wrote:

      As circumcised, we have spoken to a large number in the same situation and heard the personal stories of major and minor problems. We also have our own experience and are very provoked by all the claims that the mutilation is a minor and harmless operation.

      Fredrik Idevall, circumcised
      Ellis Wohlner, circumcised with Jewish background

      aftonbladet.se/debatt/a/kJ1zmX…att-leva-som-omskuren-man

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