Beiträge von flyguy

    Zitat von phnx

    As a 74-year-old Jew, I cannot remember my circumcision, but I can say it has not hampered my life. My genitals are intact, and if I may say, have served me very well from birth to current date.

    Zitat von phnx

    So this world does not need foolish movements, but does need movements that will benefit both men and women, and will be based on truth and facts.

    Wahrheiten und Fakten...genauso wie es wahr ist, dass sein Genital nach der Beschneidung intakt ist.

    Zitat von phnx

    The mention of female circumcision is another matter. It is brutal and affects the woman in many ways and yes, there are many people up in arms trying to prevent this savage disfiguration of women.

    ^ Das musste dann natürlich auch noch kommen...

    http://portlandphoenix.me/2015/10/14/fea…er-is-an-issue/

    http://assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/XRef/Xr…d=20174&lang=en

    Zitat von coe

    "The Assembly therefore calls on member States to: take the following measures with regard to specific categories of violation of children’s physical integrity:

    7.5.1. publicly condemn the most harmful practices, such as female genital mutilation,and pass legislation banning these, thus providing public authorities with the mechanisms to prevent and effectively fight these practices,including through the application of extraterritorial “legislative or other measures to establish jurisdiction” for cases where nationals are submitted to female genital mutilation abroad, as specified in Article 44 of the Council of Europe Convention on Preventing and Combating Violence against Women and Domestic Violence (CETSNo. 210);
    7.5.2. clearly define the medical, sanitary and other conditions to be ensured for practices which are today widely carried out incertain religious communities, such as the non-medically justified circumcision of young boys;"


    weiter unten dann:

    Zitat von coe

    "raise awareness about the need to ensure the participation of children in decisions concerning their physical integrity wherever appropriate and possible, and to adopt specific legal provisions to ensure that certain operations and practices will not be carried out before a child is old enough to be consulted."

    Am 8. Tag ist das wohl NIE gegeben.

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    http://assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/XRef/Xr…d=22199&lang=en


    Zitat von coe

    "As far as circumcision of young boys is concerned, the Assembly refers to its Resolution1952 (2013) on children’s right to physical integrity and, out of a concern to protect children’s rights which the Jewish and Muslim communities surely share, recommends that member States provide for ritual circumcision of children not to be allowed unless practised by a person with the requisite training and skill, in appropriate medical and health conditions. Furthermore, the parents must be duly informed of any potential medical risk or possible contraindications and take these into account when deciding what is best for their child, bearing in mind that the child’s interest must be considered the first priority."

    Manchmal könne es durch die Verengung auch zu Entzündungen kommen, die ebenfalls behandelt werden müssten. "Viele Jungen befürchten, dass ihre Eichel ohne die Vorhaut nicht mehr so gefühlsempfindlich ist - das hat sich aber nicht bewahrheitet."

    http://www.t-online.de/eltern/schulki…-pubertaet.html

    Der Artikel wurde 2011 wohl schon einmal veröffentlicht. Kann kommentiert werden und wurde auch schon von Leuten kritisiert.

    Zitat von Dennis Prager

    In fact, circumcision is both medically and religiously necessary.

    Ähm...

    Zitat von Dennis Prager

    Personally, I would endorse the bris even if there were no medical benefits. I only cite these benefits to refute those who argue that circumcision is not beneficial, or is even harmful.

    Zitat von Dennis Prager

    As for “mutilation,” that is a complete misuse of the term. The term properly describes what is done in many Muslim societies to the genitalia of young girls. That is why it is called “female genital mutilation.” Its vile purpose is to deprive women of the ability to enjoy sexual intercourse. And its effects are prolonged excruciating pain and permanent physical disfigurement. To compare that to the removal of the foreskin is not only absurd, it trivializes the horror of female genital mutilation.

    Permanent physical disfigurement - die Vorhaut zu entfernen ist genau das.

    Zitat von Dennis Prager

    There is no halachic issue here; after all, adult men who undergo a brit can be fully anesthetized.

    Warum dann nicht gleich warten und erwachsene Menschen selber entscheiden lassen?


    Zitat von Dennis Prager

    To assess whether one wants one’s son to undergo a brit milah, one has to recognize one of the most important laws of life: Everything has a price. There is a price paid for having a brit, and there is a price paid for not having one.

    Achso, was ist denn der Preis dafür keine zu haben? Anscheinend kann man sie doch auch als Erwachsener selbstbestimmt nachholen?


    Zitat von Dennis Prager

    The price for having one is momentary pain in an infant. That’s it. The idea that a man pays some lasting price for not having his foreskin is refuted by the experience of virtually every circumcised male who has ever lived. I have only met one man in my life who was troubled about not having his foreskin. On my radio show, I once interviewed a spokesman for an anti-circumcision group based in — you’ll be shocked to learn — San Francisco. And I told him I thought he must be very bored to devote so much of his time to lamenting his lost foreskin.

    *Brech* <X

    http://www.jewishjournal.com/dennis_prager/…sh_circumcision

    Kann och da irgendwie vorgehen? Da ich es einen Frechheit finde.

    Hallo,
    Du selber wirst da nicht so viel machen können. Besser einen Anwalt einschalten, wenn Du dazu die Möglichkeit hast. Der wird dann deine Behandlungsunterlagen von Urologin/Krankenhaus anfordern und prüfen und dir sagen können, ob da was zu machen ist.

    Edit: Ich denke, man könnte auch ohne Anwalt die Behandlungsunterlagen anfordern und sich an die zuständige Ärztekammer/Schlichtungsstelle wenden. Da habe ich aber nicht wirklich Ahnung von.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/201288#.VgzsgZd_vbU
    Die Koalition der Frommen mal wieder hard @ work... <X

    http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/510640…ed-circumcision

    Nun ein normales Leben hätte er wohl ohne Vorhaut sowieso nicht gehabt, wenn man bedenkt, dass die meisten Männer unbeschnitten sind.

    Es ist auch einfach nicht aus medizinischer Sicht sinnvoll. Die Säuglinge/Kinder haben doch garkein Geschlechtsverkehr und wer weiß heute, wie HIV dann behandelt/vorgebeugt wird, wenn diese Personen dann in 10+ Jahren Sex haben. Die stehen nachher ohne Vorhaut da und es gibt evtl. schon längst viel bessere Maßnahmen. Dann haben wieder nur die Beschneider und alle anderen Beteiligten finanziell gewonnen. Zudem heute sowieso schon einige diese Studien zu Beschneidung/HIV kritisieren.